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Relational Rounds

Oct 19, 2018

Carol Bernstein, M.D. is a Board Certified psychiatrist who is Associate Professor of Psychiatry, Vice Chair for Education in Psychiatry and Director of Residency Training in Psychiatry at the NYU School of Medicine. She is also a Past-President of the American Psychiatric Association and currently serves on the Board of Directors of the Accreditation Council for Graduate Medical Education and the Board of Regents of the American College of Psychiatrists. Dr. Carol engages in a deep conversation with Elizabeth about the differences between burnout and depression, the loss of connection among caregivers, the loneliness and isolation — all these factors that are causing the highest suicide rate ever recorded in the healthcare system. According to Dr. Carol, some of the reasons for this suicide escalation can be found in the quality of our current leaders, and the hope lays on the features of the future leaders who could introduce the changes we want to see in this field.


Key Takeaways:

[:33] Dr. Carol Bernstein career briefing.

[1:16] How did Dr. Carol get interested in the mental area?

[4:07] Suicidal increment in health care.

[6:21] The emphasis on making money is compromising the quality of patient care.

[6:54] Loss of connection, loneliness, and isolation among caregivers.

[7:45] Burnout is not depression.

[10:40] How do we talk about burnout?

[14:23] Is language perpetuating the problem?

[15:38] Fear Of Missing Out (FOMA)

[19:30] This is an anxious generation.

[23:11] People are living longer with chronic illness so the experience of the illness is as important as the illness.

[27:02] The healthcare system is in need of the right leaders.

[30:51] What we cannot measure is the most important.

[32:02] Prediction for the next two to four years depends on the leadership.

[33:30] Technology needs to come after the face-to-face interaction.

[35:12] ‘Whole patient, whole connection’ doesn’t have any substitute.


Mentioned in this episode:

Relational Rounds at Primary Care Progress

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Elizabeth Metraux on Twitter